The Ice Documents Press Conference (Part 2 of 2) =================================================
NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY CENTRAL SECURITY SERVICE Fort George G. Meade. Maryland 20755 - 6000
Serial: Q4-072-87
27 January 1987
The Honorable John Glenn United States Senate ATTN: Mr. Mark Frondorf SH-503 Hart Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator Glenn:
This responds to your letter of 7 January 1987 on behalf of your constituent, Mr. Clifford E. Stone ( Enclosure 1 ).
The National Security Agency (NSA) has received numerous Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests for information pertaining to UFO incidents. Our records show that Mr. Stone has submitted six such requests over the past 7 years. One of those requests was for the information mentioned in paragraph 2 of his letter to you, the UFO incident at RAF Woodbridge Base. In our 1 February 1984 response to Mr. Stone ( Enclosure 2 ), we notified him that the estimated manpower and computer search costs involved in locating records responsive to his requests were $250.00. We advised him that, upon receipt of half that amount, a search would be made. Mr. Stone did not respond to our letter.
Regarding the information in paragraph 1 of Mr. Stone's letter, we have no record of receiving an FOIA requests for documents dealing with a UFO destruction of a Cuban MiG-23.
Paragraph 3 of his letter ask for NSA analysis of the document he attached. It appears to be an Air Force document. The project names which are referenced, Sigma and Snowbird, are not NSA projects. We have no knowledge of the information contained in the document.
The subject of paragraph 4, project Aquarius, has been the subject of numerous FOIA requests. Apparently there is or was an Air Force project by that name which dealt with UFO's. Coincidentally, there is also an NSA project by that name. The NSA project does not deal with UFO's. We believe that the confusion on this issue results from an FOIA requests submitted by another person with interest in UFOs, Mr. Christian Lambright.
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Mr. Lambright requested all information on the NSA project Aquarius, apparently believing that the project pertain to UFOs. We advised Mr. Lambright that our project does not deal with UFOs. He then requested records revealing the "goal" of Aquarius, and we withheld the document because it is classified. We have reason to believe that our final response to Mr. Lambright, denying him access to the records, has been disseminated within a circle of those interested in UFOs and that subsequently a misunderstanding has developed regarding NSA, Aquarius and UFOs.
In responding to general FOIA requests for UFO information, certain documents have been withheld from the public pursuant to the first and third exemptions of the FOIA. The first exemption provides for the protection of information which is currently and properly classified in accordance with the provisions of Executive Order 12356. The third exemption protects information from disclosure by statute. The statutes applicable in this case are 50 U.S.C. 402 note ( Public Law 86-36, Section 6), 50 U.S.C. 403(d) (3) and 18 U.S.C. 798. This Agency's decision to protect those records has been upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.
We hope that the information being provided to you will be of help to Mr. Stone.
Sincerely, (signed) JULIA B. WETZEL Director Of Policy
SECRET COMPLAINT FORM ADMINISTRATIVE DATA
TITLE DATE TIME -------------- ------ KIRTLAND AFB, NM, 8 Aug-3 Sep 80 2 - 9 Sept 80 1200 Alleged Sightings of Unidentified Aerial Lights in Restricted Test Range. PLACE
--------------------------------------- AFOSI Det 1700, Kirtland AFB, NM HOW RECEIVED Yes in person SOURCE OF EVALUATION Major Ernest E. Edwards RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS ADDRESS PHONE Commander, 1608 SPS, Manzano Kirtland AFB, NM 4-7516 CR 44 APPLIES
------------------------------------------------------------ SUMMARY OF INFORMATION 1. On 2 Sept 80, SOURCE related on 8 Aug 80, three Security Policemen assigned to 1608 SPS, KAFB, NM, on duty inside the Manzano Weapons Storage Area sighted an unidentified light in the air that traveled from North to South over the Coyote Canyon area of the Department of Defense Restricted Test Range on KAFB, NM. The Security Policemen identified as: SSGT STEPHEN FERENZ, Area Supervisor, ATC MARTIN W. RIST and AMN ANTHONY D. FRAZIER, were later interviewed separately by SOURCE and all three related the same statement; at approximately 2350 hrs., while on duty in Charlie Sector, East Side of Manzano, the three observed a very bright light in the sky approximately 3 miles North-North East of their position. The light traveled with great speed and stopped suddenly in the sky over Coyote Canyon. The three first thought the object was a helicopter, however, after observing the strange aerial maneuvers (stop and go), they felt a helicopter couldn't have performed such skills. The light landed in the Coyote Canyon area. Sometime later, three witnessed the light take off and leave proceeding straight up at a high speed and disappear.
2. Central Security Control (CSC) inside Manzano, contacted Sandia Security, who conducts frequent building checks on two alarmed structures in area. They advised that a patrol was already in the area and would investigate.
3. On 11 Aug 80, RUSS CURTIS, Sandia Security, advised that on 9 Aug 80, a Sandia Security Guard, (who wishes his name not be divulged for fear of harassment), related the following: At approximately 0020 hrs., he was driving east on the Coyote Canyon access road on a routine building check of an alarmed structure. As he approached the structure he observed a bright light near the ground behind the structure. He also observed an object he first thought was a helicopter. But after driving closer, he observed a round disk shaped object. He attempted to radio for back up patrol but his radio would not work. As he approached the object on foot armed with a shotgun, the object took off in a vertical direction at a high rate of speed. The guard was a former helicopter mechanic in the U.S. Army and stated the object he observed was not a helicopter.
4. SOURCE advised on 22 Aug 80, three other security policemen observed the same
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DATE FORWARDED HQ AFOSI
10 Aug 80 AFOSI FORM
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DATE TYPE OR PRINTED NAME OF SPECIAL AGENT
Sept 80 Richard C Doty, SA /s/ Richard C. Doty
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DISTRICT FILE NO 8017D93-0/29
CONTINUED FROM COMPLAINT FORM 1, DTD 9 Sept 80
aerial phenomena described by the first three. Again the object landed in Coyote Canyon. They did not see the object take off.
5. Coyote Canyon is part of a large restricted test range used by the Air Force Weapons Laboratory, Sandia Laboratories, Defense Nuclear Agency and the Department of Energy. The range was formerly patrolled by Sandia Security, however, they only conduct building checks there now.
6. On 10 Aug 80, a New Mexico State Patrolman sighted an aerial object land in the Manzano's between Belen and Albuquerque, NM. The Patrolman reported the sighting to the Kirtland AFB Command Post, who later referred the patrolman to the AFOSI Dist 17. AFOSI Dist 17 advised the patrolman to make a report through his own agency. On 11 Aug 80, the Kirtland Public Information office advised the patrolman the USAF no longer investigates such sighting unless they occur on a USAF base.
7. WRITER contacted all the agencies who utilized the test range and it was learned no aerial tests are conducted in the Coyote Canyon area. Only ground tests are conducted.
8. On 8 Sept 80, WRITER learned from Sandia Security that another Security guard observed a object land near an alarmed structure sometime during the first week of August, but did not report it until just recently for fear of harassment.
9. The two alarmed structures located within the area contain HQ CR 44 material.
COMPLAINT FORM ADMINISTRATIVE DATA
DATE TIME 14 Aug 80 0730 KIRTLAND AFB, NM 13 Aug 80, Possible Hostile Intelligence Intercept Incident, PLACE Frequency Jamming. AFOSI District 17, BID, KIRTLAND AFB, NM
SOURCE AND EVALUATION 1960th Communication Officer RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS ADDRESS 1960 COMMSq KAFB, NM
PHONE 4-5098 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
REMARKS SUMMARY OF INFORMATION
1. On 13 Aug 80, 1960 COMMSq Maintenance Officer reported RADAR Approach Control equipment and scanner radar inoperative due to high frequency jamming from an unknown cause. Total blackout of entire RADAR approach system to include Albuquerque Airport was in effect between 1630-2215 hrs. radar Approach Control back up system also were inoperative.
2. On 13 Aug 80, Defense Nuclear Agency Radio Frequency Monitors determined, by vector analysis, the interference was being sent from an area (V-90 degrees or due East). On DAF map coordinates E-28.6. The area was located NW of Coyote Canyon Test area. It was first thought that Sandia Laboratory, which utilizes the test range was responsible. However, after a careful check, it was later determined that no tests were being conducted in the canyon area. Department of Energy, Air Force Weapons Laboratory and DNA were contacted but assured that their agencies were not responsible.
3. On 13 Aug 80, Base Security Police conducted a physical check of the area but because of the mountainous terrain, a thorough check could not be completed at that time. A later foot search failed to disclose anything that could have caused the interference.
4. On 13 Aug 80, at 2216 hrs., all RADAR equipment returned to normal operation without further incident.
5. CONCLUSION: The presence of hostile intelligence jamming cannot be ruled out. Although no evidence would suggest this, the method has been used in the past. Communication maintenance specialists cannot explain how such interference could cause the radar equipment to become totally inoperative. Neither could they suggest the type or range of the interference signal. DNA frequency monitors reported the interference beam was wide spread and a type unknown to their electronical equipment. Further checks of the area was being conducted by Technical Services, AFOSI.
6. High command interest item. Briefings requested IAW AFOSIR 124-4 be completed at HQ AFOSI/IVOE. HQ CR 44 and 51 items.
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From Seattle Times, May 8, 1987
60,000 Sightings Can't Be Wrong, Seattleite Insists By Peter Lewis, Times Staff Reporter
In their most commonly reported form, the aliens have large heads and stand 3 1/2 to 4 feet tall. Their enormous eyes rest under a transparent helmet.
Clad in jumpsuits adorned with insignias, the humanoids walk in sure, positive movements.
Far Out?
Maybe so, but that's where they probably come from.
And Seattle resident Dale Goudie has talked to people who say they've seen them.
Goudie has spent the last 14 years researching UFO's and using the Freedom of Information Act to collect federal documents that he contends prove UFO's exist.
The official position of the U.S. Air Force, for example, is that it got out of the UFO business when Project Bluebook ended in 1969. But Goudie says the Bluebook was succeeded by Project Aquarius.
Since 1942, there have been an estimated 60,000 UFO sightings in the United States alone and only 5 percent of sightings are actually reported, Goudie says. Feeding characteristics of the 60,000 sightings into a computer, 250 different shapes emerged, suggesting to Goudie that there may be more than one species involved in UFO's.
"The bottom line is: Don't believe me, but do read what is available" says Goudie, who has dedicated a room in his home to countless files and papers on UFO's.
"The real problem is, no one wants to take the responsibility of telling the American public this (UFOs) is real."
Consider a series of once-classified material on Project Aquarius:
An Air Force document dated Nov. 17 1980, from the Office of Special Investigations at Rolling Air Force Base in Washington, D.C. to OSI at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico refers to a "request for photo imagery interpretation."
Other papers indicate that the request stemmed from a series of "alleged sightings of unidentified aerial lights" over the Manzano Weapons Storage Area at Kirtland between Aug. 8 and Sept. 3, 1980.
An analysis of at least two pictures of the sightings concluded that the film was unaltered and that they were "legitimate negative(s) if (an) unidentified aerial object," according to the Nov. 17 1980, document. Of the two confirmed sightings, one "contained a trilateral insignia on the lower portion of object...."
The document also states:
"The official U.S. government policy and results of Project Aquarius is still classified top secret with no dissemination outside official intelligence channels .... Because of a chance of public disclosure, no knowledgeable personnel with SPA (it's not clear it SPA stands for Special Project Aquarius, or something else) will be provided...."
But another Air Force document dated Jan. 25, 1983, says "possible unauthorized release of classified material" cast doubt on the authenticity of the Nov. 17, 1980, document. The later document says the earlier one included nonexistent offices and officers, it sought to discredit the validity of the purported imagery interpretation.
When a Freedom of Information request letter dated Feb. 20, 1986, sought information on Project Aquarius, the National Security Agency responded, in part, with a letter dated March 3, 1986:
"Please be advised that Project Aquarius does not deal with unidentified aerial objects. We, therefore, have no information to provide you on the subject."
But when U.S. Sen. John Glenn wrote the National Security Agency on Jan. 7 of this year on behalf of a constituent who was having trouble getting responses to Freedom of Information requests about Project Aquarius, the reply letter, dated Jan. 27, said in part:
"Apparently there is or was an Air Force project by that name which dealt with UFOs. Coincidentally, there is also an NSA project by that name. The NSA project does not deal with UFOs...."
It is Goudie's contention that the responses about Project Aquarius demonstrate the government is saying one thing and doing another. He theorized that the government is reluctant to admit the existence of even one UFO because as soon as it does, it fears opening the door to mass hysteria.
Spokesmen for the Pentagon, the Air Force and the National Security Agency either declined comment or denied that any government agency is actively investigating UFO's.
The Air Force quit studying UFOs in 1969 after a $500,000 study conducted by the University of Colorado concluded that "UFO phenomena do not offer a fruitful field in which to look for major scientific discoveries," according to Capt. Jay DeFrank.
DeFrank noted that in 1977, President Carter asked the National Aeronautic and Space Administration to look into the possibility of resuming active investigation of UFOs.
This is the same man who in 1973, when he was governor of Georgia, said, "I don't laugh at people anymore when they say they have seen UFOs because I've seen one myself."
NASA spokesman Dave Garrett recalls that agency's response to the president: "We said, "Thank you, but no thank you." We have never been in the business."
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He also runs UFP Information Service International, a global network of UFO sightings, and Puget Sound Aerial Phenomena Research Inc.
None of these enterprises, he says, is a moneymaking operation. Goudie says he and others like him have been helped in their many Freedom of Information requests by military personnel who want the public to know about UFOs, but who can't afford to be named.
Many of the documents he's obtained indicate that "suspicious unknown air activity" has occurred at top-security military installations where nuclear weapon are stored.
The documents relating to UFOs dropping in on Air Force bases have been published elsewhere - and professional skeptics such as Philip Klass, an editor with "Aviation Week & Space Technology," have written books debunking the authenticity of those and other sightings.
But Goudie notes the government itself has never volunteered any information, much less any explanations, about UFOs at military bases.
"You can explain anything away," says Goudie, referring to Klass and the other debunkers, "But these aren't solid answers."
Goudie also says he has consulted with "optical physicists" who have performed "video-negative photoanalysis" of video tapes of UFOs to substantiate that the objects are not of this earth.
Goudie also says he has interviewed about 40 people over the years who claim to have been abducted by UFOs. All occurred in rural areas, including some episodes outside Redmond, in Maple Valley and north of Seattle. He thinks about three-fourths of them are telling the truth.
In many cases, the victims have suffered physical scars that they didn't have before their encounter, Goudie says. "I've tried to get these people to come forward. They don't want anything to do with newspapers. They're scared to death of losing their jobs..."
Considering the threat to national security and the risk to civilians, Goudie believes the government has an obligation to be more forthcoming.
You don't have to look to faraway places for physical evidence of UFOs, according to Goudie. He has a videotape of an object flying over Tacoma in 1982, enhanced by a process know as "video negative photo analysis" which allows the viewers to see vertical and horizontal lines within what Goudie calls "the plasma" that covers the true shape within. He expects the video to air on Sunday's Town Meeting" on KOMO.
Television, specifically a Dick Cavett shoe that aired in 1973, stated Goudie's preoccupation with UFOs. He's since appeared on CNN's Larry King Show and CBS-TV network news shows, among others.
He has spent countless hours and dollars pursuing UFOs.
His goal, he says, is to see the subject become an area of serious scientific inquiry.
"I'm doing it because I think people deserve the facts, and no one's taking the time to do it."
Paper : The Weekend Australian, June 27 - 28, 1987 Reporter: Christopher Hanson in Washington D.C. Title : UFOs Swooped Over US Bases
Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) have been swooping over United States military bases, causing concern in the Defence Department, according to government documents released yesterday by a group of UFO researchers.
The president of the Seattle based UFO Information Service Mr. Dale Goudie, said the Defence Department documents, released on the eve of a three-day conference on UFOs at American University in Washington DC, were provided to him under the Freedom of Information Act.
One US Air Force document, dated September 9 1980, describes the sighting of UFOs by security guards at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico the month before. It said three guards, interviewed separately, each described an "unidentified light in the air" that swooped over a weapons storage area just before midnight on August 8 1980.
It "travelled with great speed and stoped suddenly in the sky". The three first thought the object was a helicopter. However, after observing the strange aerial manoeuvres (stop and go), they felt a helicopter couldn't have performed such skills... they witnessed the light take off and leave proceeding straight up at a high rate of speed, the document said.
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Thirty minutes later, it said, another guard reported seeing a similar craft at a nearby military research station. "After driving closer, he observed a round disc-shaped object ...as he approached on foot armed with a shotgun, the object took off in a vertical direction at a high rate of speed. The guard was a former helicopter mechanic in the US Army and stated the object was not a helicopter."
Mr. Goudie said the reported New Mexico incident was one of many at US military bases, but he provided no further documentation. Another document released by the group, dated November 17 1980, said film taken of UFOs travelling at high speed appeared to be authentic and referred to a top secret Project Aquarius that investigated UFOs.
Mr. Goudie said the Air Force, which gave him the document, could not vouch for its authenticity. His group was hunting that up. The document had evidently been in official files. He released a January 27 1987 letter referring to Project Aquarius sent to Senator John Glenn, an Ohio Democrat, by the National Security Agency (NSA). Reuters
By Bill Cox FLORIDA TODAY - and - USA TODAY Newspapers June 28, 1987
Accusations fly as "ufologists" air concerns
----------------------------------------------------------------- "Information is available to anyone who knows what to ask for. I think the records are compelling, and yet most Americans aren't even informed about it."
- Dale Goudie, UFO Information Service
WASHINGTON DC - Two million people watched two mammoth unidentified flying objects cruising at low altitudes between Argentina and Chile on the afternoon of Aug.17, 1985. Soil and vegetation samples underwent significant biochemical changes folling a UFO landing at Trans en Provence, France, on Feb.8, 1981
After cataloguing nearly 6,000 UFO's over 40 years the Italian government in 1984 directed its Air Force to keep a lid on the investigations. Such claims were made here Saturday by UFO investigators from around the planet as the International Symposium on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena entered its second day. The meeting, at the American University, drew more then 400 people, along with representatives of an assortment of media, including Penthouse magazine, the Voice of America, Strange Magazine, Omni magazine.
The Soviet news agency Tass, WKSG-FM in Detroit and the People's Daily news paper of China. They registered to hear international speakers from as far away as Australia and Great Britain accuse their resective governments of UFO cover-ups.
Mr. Dale Goudie of Seattle Washington, displaying documents thatreport on Air Force investigation of a purported UFO landing at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico in 1980, asserted he was getting support from a handful of congress-ional leaders to conduct hearings on the phenomenon. We are not going after these things as UFO's" Goudie said, distributing documents that he obtained through the Freedom Of Information Act and that werecompiled by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Goudie said,"We'er going after it as a National Security Problem," If these bases were indeed penetrated -- as they apparently were -- then the NSA ( National Security Agency ) should have "interpreted that as an Aggressive Act, as an act of War."
" This information is available to anyone who knows what to ask for," Goudie said. "I think the records are compelling, and yet most Americans aren't even informed about it. For some reason, the mass media is reluctant to pursue this thing and I don't understand why. Tom Dooley of San Antonio, who said he worked for the NSA from 1978 to 1982, also voiced concern over the alleged UFO penetrations of Kirtland. "Yes, it does disturb me," he said. Not because there were necessarily these UFO's that got in but because it means that anything could get away with something like that.
Dooley said the NSA itn't involved with collecting UFO data. I'm sure if they were so concerned about flying saucers, they would've said something to me about it, he said I was a founding secretary for the Fund For UFO Research back in 1978. I made no secrets about it. I even had bumper stickers pasted on my locker.
The premise at the symposium this weekend has been that UFOs do exist. In paying homage to the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek, a former Air Force investigator and UFO skeptic-turned-believe, Temple University historian David Jacobs said Hynek's death last year marking the end of an era. If a new era is emerging in "ufology" -the study of UFO's -it is concerned with the recent and prevalent accounts of people having been abducted for short periods by alien beings, some say. "Now, we're in a situation of looking back at the external characteristics of the phenomenon we've compiled over 40 years, and looking ahead to the motiv-ations of the intelligence behind the phenomenon," Jacobs said. We are on the verge of an intellectual breakthrough of incalculable....importance.
For Zhang Yunwen, a Washington D.C. correspondent for China's People's Daily, the UFO symposium was too good a story to pass up. "No I have no information on attitudes of our government on the UFO's," Zhang said. I don't think our government is involved. But I do believe readers in China are interested in this. It's not religious, it's not superstitous - it's a mystery. You can be skeptical about this, but I think there are quite a few good sightings which need some kind of research.
Mr. Klass issued the challenge which resulted in the above press conference on The Larry King Show, CNN Network, when he appeared with Mr. Goudie, May 14, 1987.
Upon his return to Seattle, Mr. Goudie called CNN asking them to mediate the challenge and inform Mr. Klass that Mr. Goudie accepted the challenge. Mr. Klass subsequently called Mr. Goudie to discuss this matter. The June 3, 1987 letter from Mr. Goudie to Mr. Klass reproduced on the following page confirmed the content of that telephene call. A Postal Service return receipt was signed June 8, 1987 by Mr. Klass.
Mr. Klass did not show up for the press conference. However he did appear on The Sonya Live Show, CNN Network, the day following the press conference with Mr. Goudie. Mr. Klass would not talk about the information released at the press conference, nor has he done so to this day.
Mr. Goudie was also interviewed on the CBS Radio Network News the evening of the press conference, as well as subsequently making various other television and radio appearances.
Mr. Philip J. Klass June 3, 1987 404 N St. Southwest Washington, D.C. 20024
Dear Mr. Klass:
This is in response to our telephone conversation wherein you requested confirmation concerning the press conference which is going to be held in Washington D.C. on Thursday, June 25th at 1:00 p.m. in the afternoon at the National Press Club in the Zenger Room.
The press conference will focus on the alleged cover up by certain agencies of the United States Government with regard to the reality of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO's) or Unauthorized Aerial Objects (UAO's) and I will not say that you are sponsoring the Press Conference, as you requested.
All documentation will be distributed to the members of the press a few minutes before the press conference begins; and shall also be distributed to any other individuals who attend, Senator John Glenn's material will also be part of this package, as was mentioned on the Larry King show on the CNN News Network May 14, 1987.
If I can be of further service to you, please do not hesitate to call or write.
Sincerely,
/s/ Dale D. Goudie
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